8:00 pm tonight on FOX News, CNN, and MSNBC, Barack Hussein Obama vs John Sidney McCain III at Rick Warren's 40,000 member Saddleback church for a discussion on faith and compassion. McCain the man who once called the religious right "Agents of intolerance" and Obama the secret muslim who John of Patmos wrote about, and Rick's asking "personal questions". I feel cocaine and infedelity questions coming on! This should be exciting.
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how'd it go?
Quite informative I must say. Barack Obama answered everything as if he was a writer sitting on Oprah's couch. Philosophical, in depth, and personal. John McCain answered everything as if he was a guest on The Johnny Carson Show. Short, concise, often with old man humor and war stories. Perfect example was "Does evil exist, and if it does do we negotiate with it, ignore it, or defeat it". Barack says something in the order of we must confront it and try to negotiate because we can't rid the world of all evils, but if need be we will combat it. John McCain answers simply "Yes it exists, and we must defeat it my friends". Ironically it's a fun drinking game if you drink everytime McCain says "My Friends". Didn't know he was such a fan of Matt Hobby's song writing. Underrated Swag tune either way you look at it.
i actually managed to see some of this. obama's a wimp. the potential president of the united states should laugh at a proposal like this, as should anyone.
not if you're trying to get elected
no, then too.
Ha...conformity never wins does it? Ever.
I think it was ballsy of him to go into the lions den like that. Face to face with 40,000 people that disagree with him on their most fundamental issue, right to life, and tell them why he disagrees with them. Hell, Rick Warren stated that anyone whose pro choice is a "hollocaust supporter" and he sat down face to face with that man in front of his congregation and told him he disagrees. That's courage. I mean agree with them or not Evangelicals get a vote, so you can't avoid them.
well, chasing a demographic vote is probably the LEAST courageous thing i can think of, especially with one who's most fundamental identity conflicts so drastically. Courage would have his eyes set on a much broader world than Rick Warren's forty thousand.
i think there were more than 40 thousand watching
Well I meant his congregation is 40,000 members. And actually this isn't him chasing a demographic, this is his people. He's a Christian, goes to church more than McCain, has faith based initiatives, he appeals more to the younger Christians than older Christians sure, but the young Christians are Rick Warren's people. The kind of young Christians that go do mission work, the kind that believe in faith through service and works not just through words. He just has to convince these people that he's there people, and that there's more important issues than right to life.
like faith?
i think you're missing my point — and equally displaying our apparent disagreement in ideal. this man wants to work for me, yet i am not a part of the 'people' you spoke of. i have no tolerance for his god talk, and am politically insulted that he would lube a chance to speak to these people with it. that is chasing a demographic and that is not courageous.
now, do i expect him to shun popular opportunity? of course not, he's the dipshit on television. but i do expect him to uphold the rules of the game he plays.
I think it would be nearly impossible for someone to become President of the USA without a little pandering towards Christians.
again, i was trying to talk a little big picture here . . . the bible swear, christmas, and praying for disaster victims ain't going anywhere, i know that. i just think rick warren and the whole prime time sap story is a little slimy for Mr.Change himself.
religion is kinda a big deal in this world. any type of leader would be very naive not to address it.
I think the naivety lies in still acknowledging as a social lifestyle.
you can acknowledge it without agreeing with it. unfortunately for the nonbelievers/barack supporters, barack is a believer (hopefully he's just saying so to get elected). bill maher on larry king, "if i went to the himalayas to find the holiest of holy men in the world who had all the answers to guru and i got to the top of the mountain and i said please master can you help me with the ultimate meaning of life he'd say yea theres a guy named rick in long beach, rick warren, go ask him he knows exactly what happens when you die."
I've got no qualms with religion and it being a big deal in this world, what I do have qualms with is the dumbed-down Christian American lifestyle and the feeling that we're supposed to accept this for some reason. Why? We've all been there and grown out of it!!! Does that make any sense? I can speak for myself only, but in knowing the few of you somewhat well, we all WERE there and NOW we're not and there's a reason. Keep in mind we're younger then the majority of opinion holders and at some point in the real close future we'll be able to become the majority. Acknowledging this Christian American lifestyle as an acceptable and intelligent way will not be apart of my lexicon. People can do it, fine, but when asked, I'll say, "you do what?"
well good for you, go jay, you tell them christians!
Thanks Lucas, I just want you to know where I'M comin' from, and I know what you're saying. It's just, aren't YOU willing to leave it behind?
the lifestyle yes, the people no, i'm much more patient and understanding than i have ever been, with room for improvement as always. you're right, i was once there and it's not easy to jump ship because it does have a lot to do with faith and there are great messages which i rarely see christians follow. i do have a major problem with certain decisions that are made politically based on the bible (future of the world/revelations) so i consider myself to be on a different pathway in life. we all take it and we all go though pretty much the same shit eh? no need for comparison and competitions.
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